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π₯𝐨𝐭𝐭𝐒𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧 ([personal profile] oomfies) wrote2020-04-25 07:57 pm
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-11 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
( marc has some inkling of how little lottie really wants to know about who he was (is, maybe) — marlene had been the same way, although marlene had less of an excuse for it. marlene had met him first, had encountered marc spector, comma, mercenary, and still opted to spend time with him after her father had been killed. she'd met him, got to know him, got to know steven and decided, quite intently, that marc wasn't the man she wanted to know after all, steven was. had decided — before marc had been honest with her, when marc had presented himself and steven and jake as aspects of the same man, identities he could shrug in and out of much the same way he did clothes — that marc was to be left in the past, buried in sand.

steven had never elaborated on anything more than what marc had ever elaborated on: marc was a bad man, had a terrible personality, reckless and violent; steven was his opposite, capable of appreciating the finer things in life, and neither of them had wanted to clarify that it wasn't as simple as all that.

and truthfully, marc isn't much better now. yes, he's a lot more at ease — in a very general sense — with who he and steven and jake are, but it's not something he ever discusses unless he has to. lottie doesn't ask questions, not really — she asks questions about marc now, asks things of marc, but it's all kept pointedly separate, as if there are barriers she's thoroughly uninterested in crossing and for the most part, it works. lottie allows marc to pretend like his life isn't absurd and weird, and as if none of it's entirely of his own making.

she latches on to the mention of bugs like there's nothing bizarre about any of their conversation, like they're discussing a trip to the middle of nowhere a couple of states away instead of marc participating in unspeakable atrocities countries and oceans away.

for his part, he doesn't really know what lottie's deal is exactly — he's noticed she's particular about the weather, particular about when she goes outside, about where she goes. (he's been tempted, on occasion, to simply put it down to 'weird superstitions, possibly completely fictitious'.) he's noticed, too, that she's particular about her food — but who isn't these days? and has never quiet decided if it's dietary requirements or just some kind of diet she follows.

and because she's never really delved too deep into his story, he's repaid her in kind and never made a point of asking much more than she's been willing to share of her own accord.

she says she barely likes the weather in new york and marc's lips twitch as if he wants to say something. he gets partway through thinking about asking if there's much she actually likes and thinks the better of it, letting her continue. compared to chicago, there's more sun in new york, is generally less cold and of everywhere that's marc been and spent time, is probably the closest he can think of in terms of being pleasant year round — meaning her scoff earns a sharp exhale of breath that's not quite a scoff of his own, but does nothing to imply he disagrees with lottie's assertion. )


No-one would get you close enough to the jungle for that to happen.
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-14 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
( back still turned to the room at large, he misses the way that she stretches, misses the way she internally reaches the conclusion he'd tell her off if she leant in his chair. he doesn't miss the quiet sound of her footsteps and he tilts his head just enough to show acknowledgement, watching (sort of but not really) her approach out of the corner of his eyes until she's there, beside him, leaning against the wall and telling him she prefers paris. )

Ugh. ( it's said without him really thinking about it, just an instinctive utterance of thought and feeling: he hates paris. yes, there are nice restaurants and the pastries are good, but the same can be said for almost anywhere in france. the only — only — thing he thinks paris has going for it is the pervasive lack of interest parisians have in anyone else at all. parisians, frenchie had explained, hate everyone and marc, actually, had been fine with that.

curiously, then, he asks— )
Have you ever been to Paris? ( he thinks it could go either way — yes and she'd avoided the scummier, scuzzier parts of the city, pointedly ignore the pervading stench of piss down streets (both side streets and otherwise) and, bizarrely, at almost every metro station except charles de gaulle.

or the answer's no and she'd just like to go, imagines it be a magical place of whatever it is that people actually want to go to paris for. )


It's a dump, ( he adds, a little quieter and partially to himself. a civilised dump, he supposes, a shithole in ways that was entirely different to the pits and dregs of morality and humanity he'd ended up during most of his travels, but not one he was inclined to like regardless.

(nice galleries, though.) )
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-14 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
( fashion week. even as his eyes widen in acceptance of her answer, his expression says that fashion weeks and associated events are that far from being anywhere near marc's mental map of 'things he should (and does) care about' that he would've never reached the conclusion by himself. his understanding of what lottie does is very generic and mired in vagueness. not even steven cares about fashion week in any shape or form, and he's the only one of the three that'd come even remotely close to understanding its importance.

his gaze stays settled on lottie for several moments. he notes that whilst she said that compared to ending up in a jungle, she'd prefer paris (obviously), she didn't actually say if she liked the city or if she just liked what it provided her with. marc imagines it's the latter, can't quite marry the thought of the lottie he knows enjoying the paris he's familiar with — and they're similar in the way that though neither have said it, marc doesn't travel for pleasure, either. he's done enough of it for unpleasant reasons throughout his life, been to enough places and met the worst sorts of people that he knows he wouldn't know what to do on vacation.

marlene had tried — routinely, pointedly — sometimes telling marc (steven) her plans, sometimes surprising him. on each and every occasion, marc (not steven) would bury his moon knight clothing and easily carryable equipment at the bottom of a bag or a suitcase, and he'd find — inevitably — a way to keep himself busy, whilst steven and marlene and even frenchie would try to posit that, actually, relaxing isn't such a bad thing.

he doesn't have anything to say about fashion week, no placations to offer about lottie not being as involved in new york's fashion — bubble? as she'd like to be. )


Israel's nice, ( he offers instead. it's a sharp pivot from what he'd been talking about before, the closest he's got to pleasant memories. his father had friends there and though marc had never been good at keeping in touch, he'd visited on the infrequent occasions he ended up in the country. ) Nice weather, good food. ( it has its difficulties, he doesn't say, because everywhere has its problems. it's not a reflection of its people. ) I don't know much about the fashion scene, though.
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-17 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
( marc looks away from lottie when she asks him what he meant. she knows what he meant and he knows she knows. ) I've been told Tel Aviv's cool. ( is his response, then, deliberately bypassing both of her questions.

he's been, once or twice, but more often to jerusalem. he shoots her a sidelong glance, watchful and appraising as he weighs up what he knows about lottie (odd facts and inferences based on time spent together where they don't really talk about anything, a companionable kind of non-communication that marc doesn't hate) versus what he knows about tel aviv: architecture lottie wouldn't necessarily care for but for the photograph opportunities. markets she'd enjoy for much the same reason and would be strangely careful about eating anything from (marc's never quite been sure what her deal is — he's noticed she avoid gluten, noticed she always opts for a non-dairy milk, and he's never quite been sure if it's because alternative diets are cool these days or if it's because she genuinely suffers from a host of intolerances).

his lips quirk and he hides the barest hint of a smile behind his coffee cup as he adds, )
It's where the kids hang out. ( is it?

marc is not always as ignorant as he plays at. he knows, vaguely, what an influencer is and does, but he's never cared to discover the minutiae, never felt particularly inclined to discover what about it specifically is employable and what it means in a broad, day-to-day sense. lottie spends a lot of time on her phone (fine, people do that generally anyway, people that aren't marc), she spends a lot of time on her laptop (also fine, that's how a lot of people do jobs generally), but the details of marketing oneself and one's life is a tedious and horrifying concept to marc given his deep-rooted desire to be personally invisible.

(moon knight's different).

he has never cared for fashion, not as a kid, not as a teenager, and certainly not as an adult. lottie's shared her appreciation for his suit — it is nice, even if most people get fixated on the 'but it's white!' aspect — but nothing else. steven cares the most, is fussy and particular in a way that neither marc nor jake can relate to, though jake is particular about his own sense of style in his own, jake-like way.

marc dresses for dull practicality. )
So at a guess, with my limited knowledge, that's probably where you want to go to get your fashion fix.
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-17 08:12 am (UTC)(link)
( it hits marc infrequently that he and lottie share a similar impulsiveness. marc has rarely, if ever, made considered, thoughtful decisions. he's wholly emotional — for as much as he's deeply, deeply prefer not to be — driven almost entirely by his heart than his brain, and as soon as lottie says she'll have esther pencil tel aviv in, he realises it's not dissimilar to what he's always tended to do.

marlene would comment, unhappily, on how much time was being spent on moon knight and not enough time on their relationship, and so marc — or steven, or jake — would impulsively book a holiday, not quite anywhere they last remembered marlene mentioning, but somewhere that'd seem like marc (or steven, or jake—) was listening to marlene, reflecting on what she'd said, giving her (them) a vacation together, but then it'd inevitably be somewhere with a link to marc's past (always marc's, because marc is the only one of them with a past worth escaping) and marlene would — well, she'd be unhappy, of course.

he's done it with greer, too — arguments and fraught conversations resulting in considered but frankly spur of the moment gifts in lieu of a good apology (marc has never been good at those). with frenchie, it'd been impulsive invitations, a resolute ignoring of issues as to say 'look, water under the bridge, look, let's do this, just like the old days'.

lottie says she'll pencil tel aviv in and he's — startled. surprised, though not unpleasantly. it's world's apart from the start of their conversation, the difficulty in clarity, in being open and honest with each other. it's a strange sensation to realise it's a maybe decision made off the back of marc's frankly poor knowledge of what's fun and exciting to do in israel, and though it's not unpleasant, it's not a situation marc has found him in often with friends — marc hasn't many, for one, and for two, he's often the one making decisions and leaving little room for opinion.

generally, it makes its way back to him in the form of 'god, you make this really difficult, marc'. )


I haven't been abroad in a while, ( he admits carefully, a not-quite answer to her question. that's the second surprise, the implied invitation, and he thinks of all the times he'd travelled with marlene. he doesn't think he needs to tell lottie that he's not the most involved person to travel with.

(that is, he doesn't think he needs to mention it, but he probably should.)

he doesn't think he's travelled since — since marlene before left for france. he wonders if anna's still living in jerusalem, if any of his father's friends are still there. it's not a long journey from tel aviv — an hour and a half, maybe. he'd have to ask badr to look after the mission. )
—I don't know how much of a valuable addition I'd be to your Instagram.
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-19 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
( finding someone to look after his area of manhattan would be the easiest part, really — when one of them ("them", superheroes, vigilantes, whatever) was out of action for any reason, personal feelings stopped mattering. everyone else would step up and help out, and be ready to have that conversation of 'so what the fuck happened?' if necessary, though certainly not always.

marc's unpopularity aside, his poor reputation and past reliance on questionable methods to get the job done is ultimately inconsequential. he knows he's fucked up, he knows it's going to take a while to pull back whatever goodwill he might have fostered over the years (here and there, back and forth between other bad decisions), but he knows too, that if anyone had any problems with what he was doing now, he'd have heard about it.

he'd have another visitor at his door and it wouldn't be a friendly face like greer. it'd be t'challa, or captain america, or goddamn tony stark (again), and marc's tired of those visits. bored of the repetitive conversations. the black panther had given him an olive branch that he's only sort of accepted in the form of tigra, but the lack of anything else says that what marc's doing now is acceptable to the rest of them.

clea owes him a favour (well, not really, but they're friends). wong doesn't quite owe him a favour, but wong's a good guy (although marc's aware he should probably stop pissing off the various sorcerer supremes of the world). daredevil (and there's a guy who's had a few problems of his own). spider-man (ditto). castle's busy having a personal crisis of his own and despite how many times they've teamed up over the years, marc doesn't think he has it in him to ever go to him for help. (khonshu and his "oh, that one works for another god and his god must be very pleased", like marc hasn't done enough for him over the years, the fucking dick.) but he thinks he could probably even scare 8-ball enough to keep an eye out for him.

so no, finding someone else to keep an eye on his territory wouldn't be the issue. the issue would absolutely be marc giving up control of it all for long enough.
that is: possible, but challenging.

he doesn't catch the shift in lottie's expression, but he does catch the glance to the side, does notice the difference in the way she answers him now to mere moments before and he doesn't know what he's said. instagram? her—problem is his comment about instagram? )


I didn't—. ( abrupt pause; reconsideration. if she elaborated a little more on what she meant, precisely, marc would explain that he didn't mean it like that. he'd meant that their values are different. he meant he's not fun and doesn't do fun things, isn't someone many people have historically made fun memories with. that, objectively, there must have been something that'd kept marlene around for as long as she was but now, marc's not really sure what it was. ) That's not what I meant.
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-21 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
( she asks what he meant and he makes a short, low noise of impatient frustration because actually, he's not very good at putting it into words. they're there — the I'm not funs and the you see, what normally happens is I get distracted and I forget about plans; or the I'm not very good at letting things go—. but verbalising them, vocalising them is not something that's ever made marc particularly comfortable — no, half the time, it's as if the words are there but that they get lost somewhere mid-journey between brain and mouth and what comes out instead is what he thinks ought to be said instead of what should be said.

marc's constantly caught between caring too much about what people think of him and deciding what does it matter to ever give a thought to his opinion on someone else mattering. that'd been the problem with jeff: marc had never had an ounce of time for the boy, left him stranded in brooklyn, and was more or less the reason he became a villain.

(and then marc had killed him. fortunately, lottie is not jeff.)

true to form, though, he doesn't think (again) of how lottie interprets his actions and his comments. he inhales, makes a small gesture with his hand that doesn't mean anything (is instead simply something to do), and says— )


I meant( and immediately pauses. how does he say what he meant? his comment was a commentary on her instagramming, it was a commentary on himself—! ) I'm not very present.

( that's it, right? that's about the shape of it. )
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-21 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
( for most of their interactions to date, lottie's dealt with a marc that's felt relatively in control of their conversations β€” with the exception, of course, of the Incident at lottie's that one time. on the occasion that he's not been sure, it's most often been via text (a surprising benefit to communicating with lottie, it turns out), so it's never been noticed.

now marc's on the back foot, having been pushed into (sort of almost not quite but close enough for him) admitting something honest about how he feels and his self-awareness, instead of pushing it onto someone else.

she doesn't respond immediately and marc almost allows himself tonthink that's the end of it, that she'll take the remark as is and they won't touch on it again. instead, and to his disappointment, she half-questions what he means and the 'no' sits on the tip of his tongue, against the back of his teeth before she plows ahead and says it for him.

it's oddly deflating, in a way β€” to realise he's that painfully transparent. he'd promised so many people time and time again that he'd stop being moon knight, that he'd make more effort, that he'd be β€” not him, he supposes, that it sits strangely and uncomfortably to not have that expected of him. to have the 'yeah, no, you suck at that' that's readily admitted and β€” accepted?

(yeah, no, he's not sure that he likes it, in truth.) )


That's normally the sort of thing I have to apologise for, ( uttered with a wry quirk of his lips. (or: ignores the odd feeling. )
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-22 11:56 am (UTC)(link)
—What? ( it takes him a moment to understand exactly what she's getting at. he thinks it's supposed to be a compliment of sorts — or at least, not an insult — that his emotional ineptitude and inability to be present consistently and in any real capacity is just part and parcel of knowing him, but he's been involved in enough capital-c conversations to be more than aware that: no. it's not something most people are willing to overlook. that people, eventually, expect more.

(a decade, tops, if there's investment in hoping he'll change; fifteen, maybe, if your name's jean-paul duchamp.)

for better or worse, marc has at least reached the point in his life when he can look at how he's acted and is prone to acting and acknowledge that, no, other people are right: he can and does act very fucking shittily at times. he hadn't reached that conclusion by himself, it had been the result of a lot of unpleasantries, a lot of arguments and a lot of marc alternately isolating himself and then demanding to be involved in marlene's life, or frenchie's life because that's what he wanted now, and being told — resolutely and with precisely no room for misunderstandings — to fuck off until he'd grown up.

then it'd been 'just don't even bother'.

he thinks he ought to appreciate what she's trying to say, but he doesn't. he doesn't enjoy being known as unreliable, or difficult and uncommunicative. he exhales a huff of breath, a forceful sigh that's almost entirely made up of frustrated agreement. where lottie's irked on marc's behalf at the implied expectations of a man that has never been able to consistently meet the barest minimum of an equal partnership, marc is simply irked at himself.

(nothing new.) )


Yeah.

( whatever friendship he and lottie have here and now isn't any different, he thinks — the last few days have been more than enough evidence of that. they'd fallen out, marc hadn't communicated or made an effort, they'd reconciled but he wouldn't be surprised that if it came to it, if this happened over and over and over again, that lottie would grow tired of it, tired of being the one to reach out to make amends; tired of the fact that if she doesn't do that, it's less than fifty-fifty on whether or not marc will make the effort — and if he does, how much of the issue he's managed to cotton onto.

he's better than he was, but given where the bar started, it's not a massive achievement. )


What is it they teach at school? Actions have consequences? ( at least, that's the vague sentiment marc heard a lot. ) Do unto others? ( that one was all his dad. ) It's not stupid to want better. ( even if, god, he hates the turn this conversation has taken. )
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-23 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
( marc is not enjoying this conversation. in the past, this would be the part where he'd leave, cut his losses and pretend that he's got something far more important and far more interesting to deal with. the problem is that one, they're at the mission so the only other place he could go is outside (and he's still shoe-less); two, even if he did, he's not convinced that lottie wouldn't still be here when he came back; and three, he knows it wouldn't actually help anything.

he swigs the remains of his coffee — it's terrible. the colder it gets, the worse it tastes — when she asks him if she should want better (yes), clarifies that she means specifically with her and him (the answer's still 'yes'). there's a pause in which marc lets the silence answer for him, lets it imply the questions he doesn't throw at her — the why are they even having this conversation? couldn't she have just taken his instagram remark at face value, with the spirit in which it was meant, instead of opening the door to — this?

(marc plays this game with almost everyone: speaks vaguely about his thoughts and feelings and experiences and then, when pushed, almost completely refuses to elaborate any further. refuses to add depth, or explain why. his friends, the people he's closest to get the brunt of it, because they're the people he can be most honest with.) )


Yes. ( frankly. bluntly. (if she's going to ask.) a light outside the window catches his attention and he looks towards it — a brake light, stop-start, stop-start as some kids run recklessly across the road. marc watches, pressing the coffee cup in his hand together, letting it fold in on itself and the lid pop off before picking it off delicately. he turns away from the window (and lottie) and makes his way back to the desk, ducking down for just long enough to throw his cup and the lid in a bin.

(—but then, that's the problem, isn't it? he's always relied on the people around him to push him to be better and has never quite been able to settle on whether he wants to be pushed or whether he just wants to keep on doing the same things he's always done.) )


—Forget it, it's late. We're just talking in circles. I didn't mean anything with the Instagram comment.
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-25 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
( it doesn't occur to marc that he's being awkward. (although he'd disagree, vehemently, that this is the result of his comment — this is the result of lottie misinterpreting it, and there's a difference.) it doesn't occur to marc that this is one of the few times when she's encountered marc being marc without the cloak of anything else to hide himself in: introspective, avoidant, and — as andrea had put it — angsty. and it certainly doesn't occur to him that he ought to clarify anything.

(it would probably help, he doesn't think, to explain that she'd managed to hit a nerve, even — no, especially because she didn't mean to.)

she agrees that it's late (has no other choice — objectively speaking, it is late, it's the sort of late where marc, if he wasn't busy doing this and he was awake, would be thinking about getting a(nother) coffee regardless. late enough that he'd think about how fucking stupid he is for leading this lifestyle, how his routine probably isn't that great for his health. he knows lottie's still awake at this hour sometimes — he's had messages from her — but not often enough for him to think it's a regular occurrence for her.

what it's not is late enough for marc to know he'll go straight to bed when lottie leaves.

he doesn't stay under the desk for long, reappears to catch her agreement, her fingers massaging her temples as she attempts to fathom how they weren't from where they were to here. he leans against the desk, palms flat against the surface. haltingly, she thanks him for explaining, tacks on an explanation of her own that she doesn't quite finish and leaves him to infer the rest. he doesn't really know, but he knows how people are with him and thinks it's probably none too dissimilar: sometimes, he's treated like a person, normal and regular. other times, he's treated like all he is, is the sum of his worst mistakes, someone to be tolerated and humoured.

(it's frustrating and is it any wonder he prefers to work alone? no, but he also can't blame anyone for the wariness, as much as he hates it.)

she switches topics abruptly, telling him to let her know if he does something, and marc doesn't ask what she means. lets his features pinch together tightly as he tries to work it out (fails), and decides to just accept the remark and come back to it later because she asks, unsure, if she should go, not that she should go. )


I'll call you a car, ( he offers. he doesn't know how she got here, actually, and the thought occurs to him suddenly, distractingly. it's not that he's kicking her out (eh), it's that he doesn't know why she'd want to stay, why the hesitancy. they've cleared the air (mostly), marc's made it a little bit weird (again), but it's fine. )
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[personal profile] vestments 2023-05-26 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
( where lottie was (and is) completely oblivious to the thoughts swirling around marc's head, he's completely oblivious to hers. if she expressed a desire to stay, he'd — not exactly rethink his offer to send her home, but he'd at least attempt to consider why. he doesn't think there's any more conversation to be had (not uncommon), and she's — crucially — not andrea sterman, with a reason for him to open up; and she's not greer, with years of friendship (and a little bit more) to call on to be able to say 'marc, we are talking about this'.

she looks up at the ceiling and he follows her gaze, briefly, and there's nothing there. then she looks back to him and offers to venmo him the money and the look he gives her says as much as the— )


No. ( firm, dismissive, intended with absolutely no room for argument (but it's lottie, so what he intends and what he gets are not always the same things). ) It's the least I could do.

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